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Well, Simon and TB are definitely not friends anymore... (LONG POST INCOMING)

  • ShadowAuraInnes
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    17:42, September 13, 2015

    For those of you who haven't seen it yet, take a look at these links below to get up-to-date on the situation:

    The Tweets

    Yogscast Reddit Discussion on the Topic

    CynicalBrit Reddit Discussion on the Topic

    So yea, TB and Simon are not on good terms anymore, although this has been evident not only between Simon and TB through their entirely opposite opinions on the whole #GamerGate issue, but Lewis and TB too back when the whole Assassin's Creed Unity Disclosure Thing happened with TB, Dan / Nerd3, Mattophobia (Dan's Community Manager), Hannah and Lewis...

    The main issue I have with this is i'm predicting that one of the two parties is going to say something incredibly stupid about the situation on their channels which will cause a massive divide between the two audiences. As someone who is a consumer of almost all of the content that both TB and the Yogscast make, this is going to be a situation that I do not want to happen as it's going to cause me to massively dislike the party who said the stupid thing and I really don't want to do that.

    Honestly, I'm with TB on this one. TB has always been a very vocal and opinionative person (as are SImon and Lewis) and uses that in his job when commenting on everything and anything to do with the gaming industry both on Twitter and on his channel, even if it means drawing a line between friendships and his job. Sure, TB has been commenting on a lot of the Yogscast's mistakes in the last year, sepcifically with YogDiscovery, YogVentures, the AssCreed Unity Disclosure thing and now this, but that's his job.

    Meanwhile, The Yogscast acted back in a semi-aggresive manner. Lewis retaliated to TB's tweet about the Yogscast disclousre thing by saying this:

    Well I know at least one "WTF is..." that was paid for and is still not disclosed today, when TB said his WTF series would never be paid for. I also met someone who worked for TB who told me: "you would be surprised what content TB is paid for."

    Now, maybe Lewis was misinformed or something like that but he cannot go and accuse TB of something like that without going into more detail and / or giving evidence on the fact. Without that, Lewis just seems as if he's being really dishonest, which I hope is not the case.

    So what do you all think, is the Yogscast in the right here or is TB? I'm genuinely curious for your opinions so let me know.

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    • Honestly, as much as it pains me to say it I would definitely have to side with TB in this case.

      No matter how you feel about the Yogs in general it's undeniable that YogDiscovery and YogVentures was a bit of a mess and they really didn't like the fact that TB discussed how easily it could be gamed if money were to influence things too much.

      TB pushing for more disclosure is what REALLY seemed to annoy Simon and I can't help think that he's not opposing GamerGate as a movement but rather trying to defend his right to not disclose the people he's paid by - more and more I see the Yogs pushing junk on their fans which I don't really think they should be doing.

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    • I'm with the Yogscast on this one. However, I see blame on both parties.

      It would definitely be a shame if a friendship that has lasted for so long is now demolished due to some disagreements over #GamerGate.

      My problem with TB is that he felt the need to publicly criticse the Yogscast, when he could have easily skyped them, and told them how he felt about it. They were friends, and it would not have difficult to have done so. His tweet came at the wrong time, everyone was attacking the Yogscast, and I don't think TB really needed to add his lot onto the pile. It didn't help that the whole fiasco of YogVentures had only just occured, where people who didn't even know the Yogscast decided to attack them based solely on the media, who clearly exaggereated the circumstances. Therefore, Lewis was most definitely in a bad mood, having been targeted on so many sides, and on many cases, unjustly.

      On the other hand, the Yogscast did not really handle the situation very well. Lewis' Reddit post was highly defensive, and he accused TB of also having done sponsored content without disclosing it to his viewers. Whether true or not, it was not backed up, and therefore seemed quite dishonest, or at least quite a stab in the back. Yet this kind of blame could also be put on TB, as his public criticsm was not exactly kind towards his ex-friends. Further, Simon's posts on Twitter about TB were not kind at all, and engaging in that sort of argument is not the way to go about it.

      I do hope this drama will resolve soon, I'm sure that it's quite an eyesore for both the Lewis, Simon, and TB.

      Anywho, I still love the Yogcast. I can't say I'm a fan of TB's videos, I'm not that much of a cynical person myself, so those kinds of things do not appeal to me. Either way, best of luck to both of them.

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    • I don't think there are "sides" here. Yes TB mentions the yogcast in his disclosure video, but they were merely an example, not a "target". They do alot of sponsored content and are well known, so they made a good example. he didn't accuse them of being one of the channels that will only play games that pay them, he didn't point any fingers on that comment. And as for lewis's comment, i don't know enough to say if that's fact or fiction, but He did say alot more in that reddit post. It wasn't an attack, it was an explanation of his stance and was quite respectful and professional with the acception of that one line you cited. As for simon's little pokes at TB on twitter, thats just childish and mean spirited nonsense. every poke he makes is directed at his audiance like he is attempting to "bully" TB and he hasn't once had th balls to actually respond when TB calls him out for it. I lost alot of respect for simon here. Dude is a real A-hole, If your trying to pick on somone and use your fanbased, expect the person to find out and be man enough to say whats on your mind to that person when they directly respond to you.

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    • TB was just exposing the Yogscast's dodgy behavior, and I'm glad he did it. They need to get slapped around sometimes, because they act like they're invincible. And now, with Simon throwing insults for no reason, TB's clearly the better person in the situation, with Simon insulting his own fans afterwards. The yogscast are descending into ignorance, and they're tripping up. They need to get put in line sometimes.

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    • I think this should just be ingored. No need to over analise all of this, if they choose to dislike eachother then so be it, but neither will ever step too far out of line as they both have a legal team making sure they don't get too stupid.

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    • 121.219.241.5 wrote:
      I think this should just be ingored. No need to over analise all of this, if they choose to dislike eachother then so be it, but neither will ever step too far out of line as they both have a legal team making sure they don't get too stupid.

      Well considering what Lewis said, I'm surprised that hasn't lead to some form of legal involvement considering if that is untrue, that can be considered slander...Of course, if this is the case it's very likely they would keep it behind closed doors.

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    • The way I see it, both parties are in the wrong, not that either one will admit it. I love both of these people, and I believe that their work is some of the most outstanding in the form of game related entertainment. However we all know that both Simon and John are stuborn, like, really stuborn, mix this with the fact that John has thin skin and Simons a bit emotional, you get a tricky mix. The thing is, they are both part of Polaris, and as much as I'm sure they'de love to avoid eachother at the moment, their jobs force them together. I'm sure we can agree that TB has had some meltdowns in the past, but all of them were worked past and are now mearly relics of the past. (The twitter meltdown for example) and the Yogscast have done some dumb shit too.

      Honestly though, above all else, the thing that will cause this to blow over, as these things so often do. Is the fact that both parties are basically smart. They'll see they weren't mature, they'll get over it, or even forget, and boom, right back on good terms. Its like my grandma always says. Friendship between stuborn people is like a relationship between chickens, they'll peck each other and squak at each other before leaving in disgust, then a few days later, they'll come back to each other like best buddies, and do it all over.

      This, like so many other controversies, will fade, ultimatly, returning to nothing. They'll go back to being buddies, ratings will skyrocket, and this whole messy affair will become an old memory of stressful days past.

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    • 73.9.98.70 wrote:
      The way I see it, both parties are in the wrong, not that either one will admit it. I love both of these people, and I believe that their work is some of the most outstanding in the form of game related entertainment. However we all know that both Simon and John are stuborn, like, really stuborn, mix this with the fact that John has thin skin and Simons a bit emotional, you get a tricky mix. The thing is, they are both part of Polaris, and as much as I'm sure they'de love to avoid eachother at the moment, their jobs force them together. I'm sure we can agree that TB has had some meltdowns in the past, but all of them were worked past and are now mearly relics of the past. (The twitter meltdown for example) and the Yogscast have done some dumb shit too.

      Honestly though, above all else, the thing that will cause this to blow over, as these things so often do. Is the fact that both parties are basically smart. They'll see they weren't mature, they'll get over it, or even forget, and boom, right back on good terms. Its like my grandma always says. Friendship between stuborn people is like a relationship between chickens, they'll peck each other and squak at each other before leaving in disgust, then a few days later, they'll come back to each other like best buddies, and do it all over.

      This, like so many other controversies, will fade, ultimatly, returning to nothing. They'll go back to being buddies, ratings will skyrocket, and this whole messy affair will become an old memory of stressful days past.

      At least, I hope so

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    • 73.9.98.70 wrote:
      The way I see it, both parties are in the wrong, not that either one will admit it. I love both of these people, and I believe that their work is some of the most outstanding in the form of game related entertainment. However we all know that both Simon and John are stuborn, like, really stuborn, mix this with the fact that John has thin skin and Simons a bit emotional, you get a tricky mix. The thing is, they are both part of Polaris, and as much as I'm sure they'de love to avoid eachother at the moment, their jobs force them together. I'm sure we can agree that TB has had some meltdowns in the past, but all of them were worked past and are now mearly relics of the past. (The twitter meltdown for example) and the Yogscast have done some dumb shit too.

      Honestly though, above all else, the thing that will cause this to blow over, as these things so often do. Is the fact that both parties are basically smart. They'll see they weren't mature, they'll get over it, or even forget, and boom, right back on good terms. Its like my grandma always says. Friendship between stuborn people is like a relationship between chickens, they'll peck each other and squak at each other before leaving in disgust, then a few days later, they'll come back to each other like best buddies, and do it all over.

      This, like so many other controversies, will fade, ultimatly, returning to nothing. They'll go back to being buddies, ratings will skyrocket, and this whole messy affair will become an old memory of stressful days past.

      I can disagree with a few things said here: First off; sure, TB has had some of his past 'meltdowns' blow over but nowhere near all of them. Have you not seen the amount of shit TB's had thrown at him over the last few months (the Matt Lees incident for example), which finally resulted to him to have a link in every single tweet he makes from now on, to avoid any controversial statements and stuff that could be taken out of context.

      Secondly: I very highly doubt they will "go back to being buddies" after this. A lot of older incidents with similarities to this may have blown over, but none that have been this intense (can't think of a better word to use) have had the two (or more) parties become friendly again. To put you in his perspective, would you become friendly with two people where one (as far as we know) falsely claimed you went against your public consumer morals for money to their entire reddit community of over 40k followers and the other publicly insulted you about your opinions on a certain topic (Gamergate, in this case) over 250 thousand of their fans? I doubt it.

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    • I dunno. Fallouts like this happen pretty often. I have a friend who I had a 5 year fallout with over something ultimatly trivial, and we're friends again. The point is, it is ultimatly trivial. Once this whole gamergate "thing" blows over. They'll be no reason to not see eye to eye. These people are hotheads, they get mad, say things they don't mean.

      One of TB's biggest meltdowns was about him leaving reddit, an action he has done at least 3 times at this point. He's still there though. People say and do things over silly matters, but it never means a thing because its all fluff. Think, in 4 years, will any of this still matter? will those 40k people still care? will they even remember? The public eye's attention span is too short for that. TB and Simon may be stubborn and quick to anger, but they're not dumb. This is. They'll cool off, the affair will fade, and time will resume.

      It always happens, controversies around here never last.

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    • I mean, when was the last time you heard someone talking about GTA 4's effect on the masses. This'll pass.

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    • Good on him. Totalbiscuit is a total knob.

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    • CaptainSheepy wrote:
      Good on him. Totalbiscuit is a total knob.

      Is this based on an incident involving TB before? Just curious since I don't see any reason why he is a "total knob"?

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    • ShadowAuraInnes wrote:
      CaptainSheepy wrote:
      Good on him. Totalbiscuit is a total knob.
      Is this based on an incident involving TB before? Just curious since I don't see any reason why he is a "total knob"?


      Just like in general. He's just out for attention the way he tries to pull crap like this with people. If anyone remembers, back in '07 his first ever post on the SA forums was him literally bragging about being a law graduate and having an IQ of 155 in a long eight paragraph post of misanthropy which also suitably got him his first probation.

      It's why he's so into that gator nonsense, because he needs to indulge himself in a faux movement to feel relevent and there should be no reason for him to complain when is former friends call him out for it. He's just in general a whiney, terrible person with a track record of bad opinions and smug misanthropic narcissistic attitudes. Anyone could say pretty much anything criticizing him and I can almost gaurentee that they're probably right.

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    • CaptainSheepy wrote:
      ShadowAuraInnes wrote:
      CaptainSheepy wrote:
      Good on him. Totalbiscuit is a total knob.
      Is this based on an incident involving TB before? Just curious since I don't see any reason why he is a "total knob"?

      Just like in general. He's just out for attention the way he tries to pull crap like this with people. If anyone remembers, back in '07 his first ever post on the SA forums was him literally bragging about being a law graduate and having an IQ of 155 in a long eight paragraph post of misanthropy which also suitably got him his first probation.

      It's why he's so into that gator nonsense, because he needs to indulge himself in a faux movement to feel relevent and there should be no reason for him to complain when is former friends call him out for it. He's just in general a whiney, terrible person with a track record of bad opinions and smug misanthropic narcissistic attitudes. Anyone could say pretty much anything criticizing him and I can almost gaurentee that they're probably right.

      Though 28 days may be a bit late, I thought I'd decide to reply. If you had done any research about Totalbiscuit's SA incident, you'd known that he has taken full credit for his post and acknowledges how bad it was. The rest of your post is essentially ad hominem, and even if it was true, which it isn't technically as it's your subjective opinion, it doesn't really discredit Totalbiscuit's opinions and views because your opinions on Totalbiscuit don't influence the objective facts of the situation.

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    • i side dan a.k.a nerd cubed

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